One more downer today...

[kodalai]

In the Vons (supermarket) today I happened to see, on the cover of the most recent Newsweek, the caption "God and the Founding Fathers." Full of trepidition but bored with standing in line, I checked through the magazine to find the article in question. I was not disappointed. Or well, I was disappointed, but only with the state of humanity slash the U.S. in general, not with the train wreck I expected and found.

Basically, the article went something like: "On the first day of the Constitutional Convention, one of the Episcopalian members stood up and said 'If you don't mind, I'd like to say a little prayer.' Everyone else said 'Is that really appropriate? We're trying to design a secular state here.' Then someone else said 'Well, you can say a prayer if you feel like, if it's your own personal thing.' And thus from that we can see that THE FOUNDING FATHERS MEANT FOR US TO BE A GOD-FEARING FUNDAMENTALIST NATION. The end."

Do I need to remind people AGAIN that half the founding fathers were Deists, and that pretty much ALL of them were agreed on the importance of keeping the State secular and seperate from any institutionalized religion, in order to safeguard both the Church AND the State? Or have the concepts "Deist" "Secular" "Humanist" oh, and possibly "Unitarian" been conveniently erased from your retarded little revisionist vocabulary?

Comments

[windsorblue.livejournal.com]

Honestly, I don't think the vast majority of Americans have even heard the word "Deist". No child left behind, indeed.

[windandwater.livejournal.com]

... technically, I'm Catholic. In reality, I'm agnostic who'd like to be Deist on the days where I'm in a good mood. I remember having this conversation with someone while I was drunk.

[kodalai.livejournal.com]

Well, a lot of them were registered (inasmuch as they registered) Episcopalian and Deist; Deism was more of a philosophical position than a religion per se.

[mmariep2.livejournal.com]

I'd like to say something thought provoking here, but don't really know what to say in reply to something idiotic. 0_o but give me a few days haha, and i'm sure i could come up with it. :)

[kodalai.livejournal.com]

Yeah, it kind of left me sputtering in incoherency too.

[foxglove6.livejournal.com]

I just don't understand who.. WHO! could interpret such a quote as supportive of religion in the state. Seems to me like the foundation of the SEPARATION between church and state. ie: yes it's ok if you don't inflict it on the rest of us b/c it's not appropriate in the sphere of state. mrg. stupid christians.

i was really unhappy the other day while watching bill mahr. he was talking about paranoid christians (cuz they're so oppressed and all) and Missouri. sometimes i'm really sad i moved here. apparently the MO legislature proposed a bill to announce that christianity is the majority religion in the state of MO. as bill mahr said, yeah cuz tons of ppl are saying "i'd like to go to MO, but no.. too jewish."

@_@ idiots. i wish it was more jewish, i can't find a decent challah in the city!

[kodalai.livejournal.com]

I'm sorry to hear the lack of decent challah-ness in MO. That's the sort of thing I think you really take for granted in a heavily Jewish community like Cheltenham was. :(

While we're on the subject, happy Passover! right?

[foxglove6.livejournal.com]

well done! i would have forgotten if my parents hadn't called me from the family seder to make me read a bit from the hagaddah over the phone! (jk, but they wanted to!)

[ayelle.livejournal.com]

Humanity slash? Is this a new fandom I don't know about?