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[kodalai]

This is disgusting.

This is even worse, or maybe that's just because it sits closer to me.

Women can't have opinions? No, no, no, silly, that's not it at all! Of course women are entitled to have opinions, so long as they never inflict them on a man's delicate ear.

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[kwycksylver.livejournal.com]

I think there are a couple of women I work with that subscribe to that idea. Both of them have to consult their husbands any time they make a purchase and both are on a weekly budget. One even had her credit and debit cards taken away from her (even though she's not a spendthrift). Both of these women are in their very early 30s.

I snort and tell them that is not what a marriage is supposed to be like. They should be equal partners, not senior and junior.

I read the post by the person who's lj you linked. This got me:
to Paul's exhortation what women "submit" to their husbands in the New Testament.

Nothing more than big talk from a man who was a confirmed batchelor and had no marital experience.

[kodalai.livejournal.com]

I don't know any men who are so workaholic that they want to have to manage someone else's life on top of their own. But hey, maybe some men get a kick out of it.

[diatomacearth.livejournal.com]

Eww, it got stupid all over me.

[kodalai.livejournal.com]

*offers you the wet-wipe of sanity*

BTW, I have an icon to show you.

[ayelle.livejournal.com]

*snort*

[zalia.livejournal.com]

I officially feel sick because of that stupid book.

I'd rather stay single than follow that moron's advice to be honest.

[kodalai.livejournal.com]

Well, there's a certain logical progression to it; the kinda men you'd attract by erasing all sense of personality and motivation from yourself are the sortsa people who want nothing more out of a wife than a smiling blow-up doll with a "Whatever you say, dear" soundtrack looping from its mouth.

[zalia.livejournal.com]

Yup. The kind of men who regret that women now have the vote, and can work in decent jobs, and drive. Stuff like that.

Geesh, maybe they should just get a blow up doll if that's all they want in a woman.

[(Anonymous)]

I could not force myself to read all of either article (I had recently eaten & the carpets are new), but I gather it's partly Fundamentalist submissive crap and partly Southern Bellery, which resurfaces every generation -- in the '70s or '80s, there was the Total Woman 15-minutes-of-fame ("Keep your marriage fresh! Greet your husband at the door clad only in saran wrap! Hope it isn't actually the Cable Guy!") and a bogus survey that purportedly found that a 30-year-old college educated woman had a higher probability of being hijacked to Cuba than of finding marital bliss (or some such nonsense -- easily refuted, but still the rage of the talk show circuit for months). Dorothy Parker actually gave the point of view most wittily in the '20s: "Men don't make passes / at girls who wear glasses" (where you may substitute in for glasses all the things that give people their uniqueness).

Note that the Troglodyte Culture is just as vicious with males: the unrelenting savaging of "nerds" (meaning anyone not into jock values) is easily ignored by secure adult men, but hellish for adolescent boys unsure of themselves; its put downs are parroted too often by women who should know better. Best would be simply to put all the jocks and belles / total women / surrendered women together, neuter them for the sake of the human future & let them find out, as Sartre suggested, that "Hell is Other People."

The recipe for a good life remains: look beyond the surface in finding a partner; care about your partner, but do not surrender your integrity, your authenticity, to maintain a relationship.

Daddy

[kodalai.livejournal.com]

I certainly noticed that these books didn't seem to have any too high an opinion of men, either -- although on the surface, it seems to glorify them by suggesting that their opinions and desires are inherently superior to that of women, the underlying suggestion that all men are vain, shallow creatures with terribly fragile egos and infantile tempers was pretty insulting all of itself.

But yeah, it's not surprising that this is something which repeats itself. It would be foolish to hope that there was ever a time when it didn't resurface.

[devilkitty0.livejournal.com]

I think that I have a surrendered husband.

Ponders this.

Well, except for the driving part. Closing the eyes may be needed because our driving styles freak each other out.

But...mmm...is frightened now.

DK

[kodalai.livejournal.com]

*boggles*

Maybe that needs its own book, then.

[devilkitty0.livejournal.com]

There's a 'relationship' quiz on the site. We both took it and found that according to them we have a 'healthy' relationship. The killer was this line:

You're quick to apologize, and he adores you for it.

DK